Fugitive Snowden likely Venezuela bound, says U.S. journalist

RIO DE JANEIRO Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:57am BST

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RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - Fugitive former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden will likely accept asylum in Venezuela to escape prosecution in the United States, said Glenn Greenwald, the U.S. journalist who first published the secret documents that Snowden leaked.

In an interview immediately after speaking to Snowden by online chat on Tuesday, Greenwald said that Venezuela - one of three Latin American countries that have offered Snowden asylum - is the one most likely to guarantee his safety, especially as the United States pressures other nations not to take him if he is able to leave his current limbo at a Russian airport.

Nicaragua and Bolivia have also said they would accept Snowden but Venezuela is better poised "to get him safely from Moscow to Latin America and to protect him once he's there," Greenwald said. "They're a bigger country, a stronger country and a richer country with more leverage in international affairs."

WikiLeaks, the anti-secrecy group that has been advising Snowden on his legal options in the search for asylum, suggested earlier on Tuesday that new developments in Snowden's search could unfold on Wednesday.

Greenwald, though, said a resolution to the crisis is still unclear and could take "days or hours or weeks."

Greenwald, a blogger and columnist for the London-based Guardian newspaper, said he based his opinion on an "informed guess" after recent contacts with Snowden.

Those discussions, he said, also lead him to believe that the trove of documents that Snowden took from the U.S. National Security Agency, or NSA, remains safely out of the hands of any foreign governments.

Greenwald returned to his home in Rio de Janeiro after a June meeting with Snowden in Hong Kong, from where Greenwald published the first of many reports that rattled the U.S. intelligence community by disclosing the breadth and depth of alleged surveillance by the NSA on telephone and internet usage of U.S. citizens.

The reports also appear to shed light on efforts by U.S. intelligence to get similar data in Europe, Latin America and elsewhere.

At first, Greenwald lost contact with Snowden as the former contractor travelled from Hong Kong to Russia in search of a destination that would shield him from U.S. prosecutors. On Saturday, however, Snowden reached out to Greenwald via an encrypted internet chat service the two use to communicate.


Since then, Greenwald said, Snowden has explained his options but given no clear sign of how soon he might travel. While Russia has denied him entry beyond the international area of a Moscow airport terminal, Snowden has had Internet access and been able to communicate with those seeking to help him.

"He's not in anyone's custody or detention and never has been," Greenwald said.

Snowden's challenge, he added, is "figuring out how to get to the country that has offered him asylum" despite the efforts of the United States, which Greenwald characterized as "the rogue, lawless empire that has proven itself willing to engage in rogue behaviour to prevent him physically from getting there."

Greenwald dismissed suggestions that Snowden's passage through China and Russia had given authorities in either country the opportunity to seize the intelligence in his possession.

"He gave no information of any kind to the Chinese government or the Russian government," Greenwald said.

Media reports have said Snowden is travelling with numerous laptop computers but Greenwald said the former contractor is not foolish enough to store information where it could be easily seized.

"There are all sorts of smarter and safer ways for someone who knows what they're doing - and he knows what he's doing - to store and carry large amounts of data."

Greenwald is facing pressure of his own as he filters through the more than 5,000 documents, a sliver of the entire trove, that Snowden gave him. In addition to a media onslaught and criticism by opponents of the leaks back in the United States, Greenwald said he may have already been targeted by intelligence forces.

While in Hong Kong, he said he told his long-time boyfriend, a Brazilian communications student, on an Internet call that he would send him some of the documents by email. Two days later, Greenwald said, his boyfriend's laptop went missing from their Rio home.

Greenwald said he has no evidence of a break-in, but that "obviously it's a possibility."

Now, Greenwald said, he is focused on digesting the rest of the documents and writing additional stories, a process he expects to last months. Future coverage, he said, would shed more light on how the NSA collects data and interacts with telecommunications, software companies and other intelligence agencies in the United States.

Without giving further details, Greenwald said the bulk of his energy would go toward figuring out how to corroborate and explain what is often highly technical and arcane subject matter in the documents. "You can really alienate people with the technological and legal complexity of the stories."

Despite Snowden's recent association with WikiLeaks, which in recent years upended intelligence circles with high-profile military leaks of its own, Greenwald said Snowden is unlikely to disclose the rest of his intelligence in the large, unprocessed quantities that WikiLeaks has used in the past.

"If he had wanted a WikiLeaks-style document dump he could have gone to them in the first instance," Greenwald said.

Greenwald said he has for years sought to scrutinize and draw attention to the scope of U.S. intelligence gathering.

"I have been trying to do everything possible to expose the excesses of the NSA and the dangers of extreme secrecy behind which the U.S. government operates," he said. "So to be essentially given thousands of top secret documents that prove all the things I have been saying ... and much more ... is very invigorating."

(Reporting by Paulo Prada; Editing by Kieran Murray and Lisa Shumaker)

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Comments (2)
politbureau wrote:
Where is the 4th Amendment headed now that it’s been rendered stateless by George Bush III?

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Maybe the American people should be read their modified Miranda Rights now:

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say to each other in private can be recorded by the government and used against you at some later date if some secret tribunal, applying secret rules retroactively, so decides. God bless America.”

Jul 09, 2013 5:07am BST  --  Report as abuse
ultimate wrote:
I find it awful that this hero of the liberty concious should be having to hole himself up in venezuala of all places.Its indicative of the intent of politicians worldwide,of their contempt for their populations,that so many so called freedom loving countries have turned their back on this courageous man.
Two things that could and should be done now to bring an end to this monitoring of our private correspondence,
1)a boycott of the internet for as long as it takes to turn the situation around and
2)daily text messages sent to agreeable and like minded people containing keywords that will alert the snoopers software and log jam their whole sickening system
Fare well Mr Snowden,wherever you end up,some us think you are the man.

bomb,gun,smuggle,president,prime minister,assasinate,kill:)

Jul 10, 2013 7:51am BST  --  Report as abuse
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